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The Mets have made some of the worst trades in history. And the 2009 Mets have made enough bad plays to make the early 60s look like their glory days. So But trading prospects for somebody to help them win this year would make those other blunders look small.
Do the Mets have a shot this year? Sure, the Miracle Mets almost invented the phrase Ya Never Know. But you only compromise the future when you’re just one guy away from an almost guaranteed deep postseason run. That’s not this year’s Mets. The saddest thing about the Kazmir trade was how stupid it was to trade a prospect when the Mets were such long shots.
In fact, the Mets would be sellers if they had anybody to sell. But that would require established healthy talent towards the end of their contracts. The Mets have nothing of the kind.
If it’s only money, the Mets should buy. They have room before hitting the luxury cap threshold. They’re a big market team that can spend a little more. If they can get say Adam Dunn for some mid-level prospects not much better than the guys they’d get as compensation if they lose Dunn to free agency, I’m in.
People like saying New York fans have no patience. First of all, that’s not true. Just look at how the fans came out for the Knicks this year. What New York fans can’t tolerate is a team with no present and no future that doesn’t even make the routine plays. Second, it doesn’t matter whether or not New York fans have patience. As the Knicks proved so brilliantly (hey, at least they were brilliant about something) blaming your fans’ lack of patience doesn’t make mortgaging the future any less stupid and damaging.
The Mets have been devastated by injuries, and their healthy veterans joined in the blunderfest that has been 2009. If they don’t recover this year, so be it. If they sacrifice the future to try to salvage this year, they’ll have made an even bigger blunder.
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As a Murph Obsessed and sarcastic Met fan I can’t believe I never saw ohmurph.com until today. The site dubs itself “The Onion of the Mets.”
Today he capitalizes on Murph’s classic behind the back play at first with a story of Murph filing for a patent:
Patent #016401-28, titled “The Murphy Reach Around,” prohibits other first basemen – from the Major Leagues down through Little League – from preforming a similar move.
Keith Hernandez is quoted as saying:
“Much like the Iron Lotus or the Triple Lindy, I always assumed the Reach Around was nothing more than a folk tale, made up by Jimmie Foxx during an all night bender in the 40’s. Now, the name Daniel Murphy will become synonymous with the Reach Around.”
The previous post on Oh Murph, Mark DeRosa, True Met is just as funny. I hadn’t realized DeRosa went hitless and then got hurt right after being acquired by the Cards. Wonder how we escaped our destiny on that one.
Nicely done, guys, keep it up.
“Carlos Delgado was cleared for baseball activities.”
So now he can watch pop-ups fall to the ground, not step on third base …
Oh, those are Mets activities, they said baseball activities. Never mind.
Their fans may hate each other, but the teams may be able to help each other. I guess the first question should be, do the Mets want Robinson Cano?
Well, I say yes. And more than that, I think he may be the answer.
Yes, I know that most of you baseball fans are thinking I’m crazy—the man would be the No. 4 hitter on our team with Carlos Beltran gone, and with Carlos Beltran in, he can be the No. 5 hitter.
He’s hitting very well, averaging .305 with 13 home runs and 45 RBI. I think the Mets would be better with Cano. He is a very good, young player.
So, why are the Yankees looking to trade him? I don’t really know. I tried to look it up; I went to MLB.com’s “On the Block” and Cano was the No. 1 second baseman on the block.
It seems the Yankees think he’s worth more to other teams than to them. And that may be why he is on the block.
The Yankees may want pitching help, and the Mets need offense, so it seems like the New Yorkers can make each other happy.I think that if the Mets send Jon Niese, in addition to either Sean Green or Brian Stokes, they may be able to get Robinson Cano. I know Jon Niese is a big price to pay, but I think Cano is worth it—he’s only 27 years old.
If the Yankees want, the Mets could send Argenis Reyes to them, and they can throw in a class-AA rookie.
And what would the Mets do with Luis Castillo? He is a great player to have on the bench. He could pinch hit and pinch run, and I don’t see the Mets finding a way to trade him.
One reason the Yankees may pass on this would be to possibly send Robinson Cano and Phil Hughes to the Blue Jays for Roy Halladay; I don’t think the Blue Jays would take that, since they would not want to send an ace to a division rival.
On MLB.com, it says that the Dodgers may want Robinson Cano, but I don’t see why. Their second baseman, Orlando Hudson, is having an all-star season.
I am hoping the Mets and Yankees read this article and start thinking of the possibility to make this trade work.
Please let me know what you think, as a Yankee, Met, or baseball fan.
Great post on Managing Greatness about why baseball fans make the best managers.
Each year from 2002-2004 the Mets finished at least 25 games back. The Randolph – Minaya era turned that around, improving from 20 games under .500 to 4 games over in their first year. Then 97-65 (103-69 if you include the postseason) and the verge of the pennant, and then a 33-17 start to ’07. And then just like that it all fell apart. After that 130 – 82 stretch (.613 winning percentage) the Mets went 89-92 for the rest of Randolph’s tenure, including the infamous ’07 collapse. The Mets ran their mediocre stretch 17 games into Jerry Manuel’s tenure, to reach 97 – 101. Then they turned it back around, going 47-29 through the end of the season. Or said a bit differently, they went on a 40-19 streak to take a 3 1/2 game lead with 17 to go, before going 7-10 to miss the playoffs.
The 2007 and 2008 collapses were far too similar for anybody to ignore: peaking their divisional lead with 17 to play and then immediately dropping, and culminating in the final weekend hosting the Marlins where they entered tied, lost the first (while the Phils or Brewers won) to drop one back, winning the next behind a tremendous pitching performance (while the Phils / Brewers lost) to tie it, and then losing the finale while the other team won to go home losers. While we’re at it, the final game was also similar to the last game of 2006, with Oliver Perez starting on 3 days rest and getting the no decision, Chavez making a dramatic catch to keep the game tied for the 7th inning stretch, the bullpen giving up 2 runs on homers, and finally ending the season with the tying run at the plate or on base.
Many have pointed out that the 2008 collapse was not as bad (7-10 is not 5-12, a 3 1/2 game lead is not a 7 game lead) and was more excusable (the 2008 team suffered far more injuries), but the biggest problem with both teams is that from June of 2007 through June of 2008 the Mets were a below 500 team. After playing 600 ball in 2006, the 2007-2008 Mets went 33-17, then 97-101, and finally 47-29.
So here’s my summary of 2008: The Mets were so bad in the first half of the year that even a fantastic turnaround left them with insufficient cushion for when they got some bad luck. Similarly, the 2007 analyses also over-focused on the 17 game collapse, ignoring the awful stretch that started at the end of May.
All those who chanted MVP for Carlos Delgado IMO missed the key point. Had anybody besides David Wright and Johan Santana played the entire season, the Mets would have clinched the division a few weeks ago, regardless of injuries.
I addressed this a bit in my post on the Manuel – Warthen turnaround. I think the ton of errors the Mets made during the dry spell compared to the great defense the Mets played after was symptomatic of a 208 game stretch of badly played baseball by what should have been a great team.
In short, the 08 Mets were done in by the following overlapping pieces, in order of importance:
Back to the point of this post, the 2008 Mets in context. The dreadful 208 game stretch prevented the 2007 and 2008 Mets from doing what they were clearly talented enough to do. Going away (presumably) are Pedro, El Duque, Wagner, and Alou, freeing up about $28 million this offseason and Wagner’s money next offseason. One more year (at least) for Delgado.
On the other side, Pelfrey had a breakout year. Murphy was very promising, and will probably be the Mets’ second baseman next year. Nick Evans will probably get a lot of starts with the Mets next year, and in 2010 he may compete with Fernando Martinez and Ryan Church for a corner outfield spot and with Mike Carp for first base.
Reyes, Wright, Beltran, and Santana make a remarkable group of core stars who should be the nucleus of this team for at least another three years, hopefully much longer. Santana, Pelfrey, and a hopefully healthy John Maine should make a very impressive top of the rotation. The position players may be the best in the NL at the plate, on the basepaths, and on defense. Wagner and Castillo have the only bad contracts, and the damage there is limited. I assume after this year’s problems the Mets will invest seriously in their bullpen, and they need to do something for the bottom of their rotation.
2007 and 2008 were lost years, years that the Mets should have been the best team in the NL but weren’t. The biggest problem was neither injuries nor nerves, but rather an extended bout of uninspired play. Somebody really should study why the Mets went from great to lousy beginning May 30, 2007. Maybe it’s the Benitez curse: the night before the slide the Mets had a dramatic 12 inning victory where Reyes got the unfairly despised former Met reliver to balk him home with the tying run and then Delgado hit the next pitch over the fence to end the game.
Looking forward: with their 25 year old phenoms, Santana, Beltran, Maine, Pelfrey, and perhaps Murphy, the Mets should have the core to be the team they should have been the past 2 years — and maybe even better.